Andrewwhyte 1 #1 November 10, 2008 Hopefully this will help mend the rift between Christians and scientist that does no one any good. GOOD NEWS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #2 November 10, 2008 I am not the religious so dont flame. But why is it that some on here have such a hard on or hate for people who have are religious in some way?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gjhdiver 0 #3 November 10, 2008 QuoteI am not the religious so dont flame. But why is it that some on here have such a hard on or hate for people who have are religious in some way? Because it's the last bastion of stupidity in a rational world, and the last bad excuse for discrimination and oppression. That do for an answer ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #4 November 10, 2008 QuoteBecause it's the last bastion of stupidity in a rational world, So anybody who has some sort of faith is stupid? Quoteand the last bad excuse for discrimination and oppression. What church did you step into that discriminated against anyone?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #5 November 10, 2008 Well, at least it explains predestination. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #6 November 10, 2008 QuoteSo anybody who has some sort of faith is stupid? That depends on what you call faith. If you define faith as the acceptance of a statement as true without evidence for it, or in the face of evidence against it, then yes, I'd say that's pretty stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #7 November 10, 2008 QuoteWhat church did you step into that discriminated against anyone? Are you aware of just what went down in California with Prop 8?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #8 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteSo anybody who has some sort of faith is stupid? That depends on what you call faith. If you define faith as the acceptance of a statement as true without evidence for it, or in the face of evidence against it, then yes, I'd say that's pretty stupid. you do realise the many of us put our faith in science and our faith in the belief that what we hold true is in fact true.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #9 November 10, 2008 QuoteAre you aware of just what went down in California with Prop 8? So just because someone voted for prop 8 they must be a bible thumpin idiot? More people than just the church voted for it. I love the left. Have an open mind unless you dont think like us.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #10 November 10, 2008 Quoteyou do realise the many of us put our faith in science Well you don't have to. You do not need faith in science if you take the time to learn how and why it works. You never know, it might even stop some of the blatant misrepresentations and misunderstandings of science that we see in here on a regular basis. Resorting to faith is pure laziness and is fundamentally stupid. Quoteand our faith in the belief that what we hold true is in fact true. Now there's a rhetorical tautology if ever I saw one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #11 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteAre you aware of just what went down in California with Prop 8? So just because someone voted for prop 8 they must be a bible thumpin idiot? More people than just the church voted for it. I love the left. Have an open mind unless you dont think like us. Don't put words in my mouth. All I did was ask a simple question based on your statement. Are you aware of who created the Proposition to begin with and who the major sponsors were? If you ask a question "What church did you step into that discriminated against anyone?" and think churches do NOT discriminate against people, then you're fooling yourself. In some cases it's not even passive discrimination but very active discrimination attempting to take away the rights of others.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Misslmperfect 0 #12 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteBecause it's the last bastion of stupidity in a rational world, So anybody who has some sort of faith is stupid? Quoteand the last bad excuse for discrimination and oppression. What church did you step into that discriminated against anyone? it not because of religious beliefs that proposition 8 was passed in CA? you don't think what happened to all of those people is discrimination? is not religion that that fuels the fight to take women's rights away re: abortion/roe v wade? religion has been the cause of massive human rights violations and even genocide, and decimation of entire societies since the beginning of time...hasn't history taught us anything? seriously? there's nothing wrong with faith. that's the beauty of freedom - you can believe in whatever you want, but you don't get to govern what anyone else believes. don't believe in homosexuality? don't sleep with same sex partners. against abortion? don't have one! that can apply to any activity deemed inappropriate or sinful. and POOF! problem solved. leave the rest of us alone.Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #13 November 10, 2008 QuoteDon't put words in my mouth. Why not? You seem to be very good at doing that with other people here who dont follow your line of thinking. Quoteand think churches do NOT discriminate against people, then you're fooling yourself. And if you think all churches discriminate your foolin youself. The ones I have been in always promoted the good in people. And not 1 that have I ever been to said, well your gay, no church for you. Or no blacks allowed.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #14 November 10, 2008 Quoteis not religion that that fuels the fight to take women's rights away re: abortion/roe v wade? I am against abortion and I cannot tell you the last time I was in a church. I am against it but really dont give 2 shits either way. If some chik wants to go give a baby the Shop Vac treament. Go ahead. Take the easy way out. Quotereligion has been the cause of massive human rights violations and even genocide, and decimation of entire societies since the beginning of time...hasn't history taught us anything? SO whats your solution? Ban all religion? That will show them. QuotePOOF! problem solved. leave the rest of us alone. Man if the left could understand that I would be so much more happy. Should I make a list of shit the left wants to ban or restrict because they dont like it or think they have to tell us how to live?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #15 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteyou do realise the many of us put our faith in science Well you don't have to. You do not need faith in science if you take the time to learn how and why it works. You never know, it might even stop some of the blatant misrepresentations and misunderstandings of science that we see in here on a regular basis. Resorting to faith is pure laziness and is fundamentally stupid. Quoteand our faith in the belief that what we hold true is in fact true. Now there's a rhetorical tautology if ever I saw one.it maybe, but it still holds true that we THINK we know the facts all of this can be proven to be incorrect with new advances or discoveries in the future.. Everything we TRUST to be true is based on our FAITH that the current understandings pf physics and science are true and correct. They MAY at some point in the future be proven incorrect. There is nothing rhetorical about that, it's what underpins all GOOD scientific thought. BTW I am an atheist and hold a Science Degree with double majors plus post grad quals, I'm not a god botherer. But Science is based on Faith.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Misslmperfect 0 #16 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteis not religion that that fuels the fight to take women's rights away re: abortion/roe v wade? I am against abortion and I cannot tell you the last time I was in a church. I am against it but really dont give 2 shits either way. If some chik wants to go give a baby the Shop Vac treament. Go ahead. Take the easy way out.Quote well, there ya go. you don't give 2 shits...that's fine! you don't have to. but you're also not letting your opposition to abortion affect the ability for women to make their own choices....easy way out or not. Quotereligion has been the cause of massive human rights violations and even genocide, and decimation of entire societies since the beginning of time...hasn't history taught us anything? SO whats your solution? Ban all religion? That will show them.Quote of course not...then i'd be no better then the people i'm complaining about lol. truth is, i don't have a solution. i just see a problem. it makes me sad that such needless violence and gratuitous loss of life continues to occur in the name of "religion"...ALL of them. what peace occurs or exists anywhere in the world because of religion? that has to mean something to those who believe in a higher power....isn't that kind of the opposite of what it's supposed to do for people? QuotePOOF! problem solved. leave the rest of us alone. Man if the left could understand that I would be so much more happy. Should I make a list of shit the left wants to ban or restrict because they dont like it or think they have to tell us how to live? i'd like to see that list. i'm not even being facetious. i really would...i'm curious.Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #17 November 10, 2008 Quoteit maybe, but it still holds true that we THINK we know the facts all of this can be proven to be incorrect with new advances or discoveries in the future.. Everything we TRUST to be true is based on our FAITH that the current understandings pf physics and science are true and correct. They MAY at some point in the future be proven incorrect. There is nothing rhetorical about that, it's what underpins all GOOD scientific thought. BTW I am an atheist and hold a Science Degree with double majors plus post grad quals, I'm not a god botherer. But Science is based on Faith. With your definition, absolutely everything is based on faith. You have faith that your eyes do not decieve you, that your observations are accurate, that you are actually on a planet called earth and not a brain in a jar connected to the matrix. Your definition is self-consistent but only because it is so wide that it encompasses absolutely everything, and for that reason it is quite useless. Science is based on the unprovable axiom that we might actually be able to know something about the universe. If that is not true, then we can know precicely nothing about anything. But we do appear to be in a universe where we can make repeatable observations. Therefore we can know something about the universe we appear to be in by using epiricism and logic. If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #18 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFUYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #19 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #20 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. you liedYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #21 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. you lied You're upset. Was it something I said? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #22 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. you lied You're upset. Was it something I said? not at all, most of what i have read from you says very very littleYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #23 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote You're upset. Was it something I said? not at all, most of what i have read from you says very very little If I haven't said anything, why are you so mad at me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #24 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote You're upset. Was it something I said? not at all, most of what i have read from you says very very little If I haven't said anything, why are you so mad at me? i'm not even remotely agitated, but i do wonder why you are still communicating with me when you expressively said you wouldn't. please stand by your word.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #25 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteAre you aware of just what went down in California with Prop 8? So just because someone voted for prop 8 they must be a bible thumpin idiot? More people than just the church voted for it. I love the left. Have an open mind unless you dont think like us. Don't put words in my mouth. All I did was ask a simple question based on your statement. . And it looks to me that he made a statment based on what you and others posted on the thread. I personally think that hating and looking down on those of faith deals primarily on how one wants to look at self responsibilities. But that is just me......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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Rookie120 0 #2 November 10, 2008 I am not the religious so dont flame. But why is it that some on here have such a hard on or hate for people who have are religious in some way?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #3 November 10, 2008 QuoteI am not the religious so dont flame. But why is it that some on here have such a hard on or hate for people who have are religious in some way? Because it's the last bastion of stupidity in a rational world, and the last bad excuse for discrimination and oppression. That do for an answer ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #4 November 10, 2008 QuoteBecause it's the last bastion of stupidity in a rational world, So anybody who has some sort of faith is stupid? Quoteand the last bad excuse for discrimination and oppression. What church did you step into that discriminated against anyone?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #5 November 10, 2008 Well, at least it explains predestination. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #6 November 10, 2008 QuoteSo anybody who has some sort of faith is stupid? That depends on what you call faith. If you define faith as the acceptance of a statement as true without evidence for it, or in the face of evidence against it, then yes, I'd say that's pretty stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 November 10, 2008 QuoteWhat church did you step into that discriminated against anyone? Are you aware of just what went down in California with Prop 8?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #8 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteSo anybody who has some sort of faith is stupid? That depends on what you call faith. If you define faith as the acceptance of a statement as true without evidence for it, or in the face of evidence against it, then yes, I'd say that's pretty stupid. you do realise the many of us put our faith in science and our faith in the belief that what we hold true is in fact true.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #9 November 10, 2008 QuoteAre you aware of just what went down in California with Prop 8? So just because someone voted for prop 8 they must be a bible thumpin idiot? More people than just the church voted for it. I love the left. Have an open mind unless you dont think like us.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #10 November 10, 2008 Quoteyou do realise the many of us put our faith in science Well you don't have to. You do not need faith in science if you take the time to learn how and why it works. You never know, it might even stop some of the blatant misrepresentations and misunderstandings of science that we see in here on a regular basis. Resorting to faith is pure laziness and is fundamentally stupid. Quoteand our faith in the belief that what we hold true is in fact true. Now there's a rhetorical tautology if ever I saw one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #11 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteAre you aware of just what went down in California with Prop 8? So just because someone voted for prop 8 they must be a bible thumpin idiot? More people than just the church voted for it. I love the left. Have an open mind unless you dont think like us. Don't put words in my mouth. All I did was ask a simple question based on your statement. Are you aware of who created the Proposition to begin with and who the major sponsors were? If you ask a question "What church did you step into that discriminated against anyone?" and think churches do NOT discriminate against people, then you're fooling yourself. In some cases it's not even passive discrimination but very active discrimination attempting to take away the rights of others.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misslmperfect 0 #12 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteBecause it's the last bastion of stupidity in a rational world, So anybody who has some sort of faith is stupid? Quoteand the last bad excuse for discrimination and oppression. What church did you step into that discriminated against anyone? it not because of religious beliefs that proposition 8 was passed in CA? you don't think what happened to all of those people is discrimination? is not religion that that fuels the fight to take women's rights away re: abortion/roe v wade? religion has been the cause of massive human rights violations and even genocide, and decimation of entire societies since the beginning of time...hasn't history taught us anything? seriously? there's nothing wrong with faith. that's the beauty of freedom - you can believe in whatever you want, but you don't get to govern what anyone else believes. don't believe in homosexuality? don't sleep with same sex partners. against abortion? don't have one! that can apply to any activity deemed inappropriate or sinful. and POOF! problem solved. leave the rest of us alone.Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #13 November 10, 2008 QuoteDon't put words in my mouth. Why not? You seem to be very good at doing that with other people here who dont follow your line of thinking. Quoteand think churches do NOT discriminate against people, then you're fooling yourself. And if you think all churches discriminate your foolin youself. The ones I have been in always promoted the good in people. And not 1 that have I ever been to said, well your gay, no church for you. Or no blacks allowed.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #14 November 10, 2008 Quoteis not religion that that fuels the fight to take women's rights away re: abortion/roe v wade? I am against abortion and I cannot tell you the last time I was in a church. I am against it but really dont give 2 shits either way. If some chik wants to go give a baby the Shop Vac treament. Go ahead. Take the easy way out. Quotereligion has been the cause of massive human rights violations and even genocide, and decimation of entire societies since the beginning of time...hasn't history taught us anything? SO whats your solution? Ban all religion? That will show them. QuotePOOF! problem solved. leave the rest of us alone. Man if the left could understand that I would be so much more happy. Should I make a list of shit the left wants to ban or restrict because they dont like it or think they have to tell us how to live?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #15 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteyou do realise the many of us put our faith in science Well you don't have to. You do not need faith in science if you take the time to learn how and why it works. You never know, it might even stop some of the blatant misrepresentations and misunderstandings of science that we see in here on a regular basis. Resorting to faith is pure laziness and is fundamentally stupid. Quoteand our faith in the belief that what we hold true is in fact true. Now there's a rhetorical tautology if ever I saw one.it maybe, but it still holds true that we THINK we know the facts all of this can be proven to be incorrect with new advances or discoveries in the future.. Everything we TRUST to be true is based on our FAITH that the current understandings pf physics and science are true and correct. They MAY at some point in the future be proven incorrect. There is nothing rhetorical about that, it's what underpins all GOOD scientific thought. BTW I am an atheist and hold a Science Degree with double majors plus post grad quals, I'm not a god botherer. But Science is based on Faith.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misslmperfect 0 #16 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteis not religion that that fuels the fight to take women's rights away re: abortion/roe v wade? I am against abortion and I cannot tell you the last time I was in a church. I am against it but really dont give 2 shits either way. If some chik wants to go give a baby the Shop Vac treament. Go ahead. Take the easy way out.Quote well, there ya go. you don't give 2 shits...that's fine! you don't have to. but you're also not letting your opposition to abortion affect the ability for women to make their own choices....easy way out or not. Quotereligion has been the cause of massive human rights violations and even genocide, and decimation of entire societies since the beginning of time...hasn't history taught us anything? SO whats your solution? Ban all religion? That will show them.Quote of course not...then i'd be no better then the people i'm complaining about lol. truth is, i don't have a solution. i just see a problem. it makes me sad that such needless violence and gratuitous loss of life continues to occur in the name of "religion"...ALL of them. what peace occurs or exists anywhere in the world because of religion? that has to mean something to those who believe in a higher power....isn't that kind of the opposite of what it's supposed to do for people? QuotePOOF! problem solved. leave the rest of us alone. Man if the left could understand that I would be so much more happy. Should I make a list of shit the left wants to ban or restrict because they dont like it or think they have to tell us how to live? i'd like to see that list. i'm not even being facetious. i really would...i'm curious.Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #17 November 10, 2008 Quoteit maybe, but it still holds true that we THINK we know the facts all of this can be proven to be incorrect with new advances or discoveries in the future.. Everything we TRUST to be true is based on our FAITH that the current understandings pf physics and science are true and correct. They MAY at some point in the future be proven incorrect. There is nothing rhetorical about that, it's what underpins all GOOD scientific thought. BTW I am an atheist and hold a Science Degree with double majors plus post grad quals, I'm not a god botherer. But Science is based on Faith. With your definition, absolutely everything is based on faith. You have faith that your eyes do not decieve you, that your observations are accurate, that you are actually on a planet called earth and not a brain in a jar connected to the matrix. Your definition is self-consistent but only because it is so wide that it encompasses absolutely everything, and for that reason it is quite useless. Science is based on the unprovable axiom that we might actually be able to know something about the universe. If that is not true, then we can know precicely nothing about anything. But we do appear to be in a universe where we can make repeatable observations. Therefore we can know something about the universe we appear to be in by using epiricism and logic. If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #18 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFUYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #19 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #20 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. you liedYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #21 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. you lied You're upset. Was it something I said? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #22 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. you lied You're upset. Was it something I said? not at all, most of what i have read from you says very very littleYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #23 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote You're upset. Was it something I said? not at all, most of what i have read from you says very very little If I haven't said anything, why are you so mad at me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #24 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote You're upset. Was it something I said? not at all, most of what i have read from you says very very little If I haven't said anything, why are you so mad at me? i'm not even remotely agitated, but i do wonder why you are still communicating with me when you expressively said you wouldn't. please stand by your word.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #25 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteAre you aware of just what went down in California with Prop 8? So just because someone voted for prop 8 they must be a bible thumpin idiot? More people than just the church voted for it. I love the left. Have an open mind unless you dont think like us. Don't put words in my mouth. All I did was ask a simple question based on your statement. . And it looks to me that he made a statment based on what you and others posted on the thread. I personally think that hating and looking down on those of faith deals primarily on how one wants to look at self responsibilities. But that is just me......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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JackC 0 #17 November 10, 2008 Quoteit maybe, but it still holds true that we THINK we know the facts all of this can be proven to be incorrect with new advances or discoveries in the future.. Everything we TRUST to be true is based on our FAITH that the current understandings pf physics and science are true and correct. They MAY at some point in the future be proven incorrect. There is nothing rhetorical about that, it's what underpins all GOOD scientific thought. BTW I am an atheist and hold a Science Degree with double majors plus post grad quals, I'm not a god botherer. But Science is based on Faith. With your definition, absolutely everything is based on faith. You have faith that your eyes do not decieve you, that your observations are accurate, that you are actually on a planet called earth and not a brain in a jar connected to the matrix. Your definition is self-consistent but only because it is so wide that it encompasses absolutely everything, and for that reason it is quite useless. Science is based on the unprovable axiom that we might actually be able to know something about the universe. If that is not true, then we can know precicely nothing about anything. But we do appear to be in a universe where we can make repeatable observations. Therefore we can know something about the universe we appear to be in by using epiricism and logic. If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #18 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFUYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #19 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #20 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. you liedYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #21 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. you lied You're upset. Was it something I said? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #22 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. you lied You're upset. Was it something I said? not at all, most of what i have read from you says very very littleYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #23 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote You're upset. Was it something I said? not at all, most of what i have read from you says very very little If I haven't said anything, why are you so mad at me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #24 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote You're upset. Was it something I said? not at all, most of what i have read from you says very very little If I haven't said anything, why are you so mad at me? i'm not even remotely agitated, but i do wonder why you are still communicating with me when you expressively said you wouldn't. please stand by your word.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #25 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteAre you aware of just what went down in California with Prop 8? So just because someone voted for prop 8 they must be a bible thumpin idiot? More people than just the church voted for it. I love the left. Have an open mind unless you dont think like us. Don't put words in my mouth. All I did was ask a simple question based on your statement. . And it looks to me that he made a statment based on what you and others posted on the thread. I personally think that hating and looking down on those of faith deals primarily on how one wants to look at self responsibilities. But that is just me......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
JackC 0 #19 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #20 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. you liedYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #21 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. you lied You're upset. Was it something I said? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #22 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. you lied You're upset. Was it something I said? not at all, most of what i have read from you says very very littleYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #23 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote You're upset. Was it something I said? not at all, most of what i have read from you says very very little If I haven't said anything, why are you so mad at me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #24 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote You're upset. Was it something I said? not at all, most of what i have read from you says very very little If I haven't said anything, why are you so mad at me? i'm not even remotely agitated, but i do wonder why you are still communicating with me when you expressively said you wouldn't. please stand by your word.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #25 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteAre you aware of just what went down in California with Prop 8? So just because someone voted for prop 8 they must be a bible thumpin idiot? More people than just the church voted for it. I love the left. Have an open mind unless you dont think like us. Don't put words in my mouth. All I did was ask a simple question based on your statement. . And it looks to me that he made a statment based on what you and others posted on the thread. I personally think that hating and looking down on those of faith deals primarily on how one wants to look at self responsibilities. But that is just me......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Squeak 17 #20 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. you liedYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #21 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. you lied You're upset. Was it something I said? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #22 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote If you want to take that and call it faith, then go ahead but we won't be able to communicate further since we are not speaking the same language. Yes i do want to, so now STFU Friendly chap ain't ya. you lied You're upset. Was it something I said? not at all, most of what i have read from you says very very littleYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #23 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote You're upset. Was it something I said? not at all, most of what i have read from you says very very little If I haven't said anything, why are you so mad at me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #24 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote You're upset. Was it something I said? not at all, most of what i have read from you says very very little If I haven't said anything, why are you so mad at me? i'm not even remotely agitated, but i do wonder why you are still communicating with me when you expressively said you wouldn't. please stand by your word.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #25 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteAre you aware of just what went down in California with Prop 8? So just because someone voted for prop 8 they must be a bible thumpin idiot? More people than just the church voted for it. I love the left. Have an open mind unless you dont think like us. Don't put words in my mouth. All I did was ask a simple question based on your statement. . And it looks to me that he made a statment based on what you and others posted on the thread. I personally think that hating and looking down on those of faith deals primarily on how one wants to look at self responsibilities. But that is just me......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
